By: John Keitel
Barack Obama has said that “We are no longer a Christian nation, we are also a Muslim nation, and a nation of non-believers.”
We are a Christian nation, one that is founded on Christian values. A Muslim nation is IRAN, which we all know takes great pains in making sure that minorities like women have rights. They have the right to be stoned to death in the public square to save the families honor. That’s due process.
Where was this in the MSM or Obama propaganda?
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Actually we never were a Christian nation, some of the founders were Christians, some were Deists, some were non-believers. Church attendance was really low at the beginning of this nation.
What we are is a nation founded on the Constitution and the Constitution says: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech…”
We’ve heard all of the rhetoric about Obama being a Muslim and we know it’s not true. That faked video isn’t even slightly convincing!
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I’ll explain it. America may have been founded by Christians but it is not necessarily a Christian nation. It is definitely not run by Christians, solely. Our system provides for others to have a part.
That allows for others with a non-Christian emphasis to be heard over biblical considerations. He’s saying that others have a say too. If you’re an American, you should know this already
Mark and Hissyspit,
Why is God included throughout the founding documents of this great nation? How did we get unalienable rights endowed to us by our creator?
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
The US Justice system is based on the 10 Commandments. These are not passages that would be agreed to by a Islamic Nation. That would mean that women have rights. Right now they only have the right to be stoned to death in the public square to save the families name.
madmonq,
This country is free because it was founded on Christian values so it does included all of God’s children.
We are a Christian nation not a Muslim nation that would be IRAN.
As for “Creator” I don’t read that to mean Christian God to exclusion of others. “Creator” is about as neutral as you can get.
As for the 10 Commandments – the American justice system would sure be easier to navigate if it were simply based on the 10 Commandments. But that’s not the case is it? The American justice system is modeled on the British common law system. How many Supreme Court decisions use scripture as precedent in deciding cases?
Again, my point is this: America is governed by a secular system of government. We are not governed by Biblical law, or New Testament Law, or Christian law.
Instead the American system of government, it’s very operation, is effective because it is designed to protect the minority from the majority.
The Federalist papers have many more references to God and as to why the founders felt the way they did.
Your right we are not “governed” by a religious council. We were founded on Christian principles. Name a Muslim Nation with the freedoms or principles we have.
Although some of the British law system was used, the foundation was the 10 commandments.
Obama’s remarks were clear even he says, “we are no longer a Christian nation.”
I disagree, the only way to change that we are a Christian nation is to create another nation. Which is what the Democrat/marxists want to achieve.
Again, so-called “foundations” of our government are a far-cry from the actual system of government we hold dear.
Tell me this: What does being a “Christian nation” mean to you? Does it mean that the majority of Americans identify themselves as Christian? Or does it mean that Christian views should be treated differently by the government that views of non-Christians? Or should American policy be to discount opinions that don’t come from Christians?
That, I believe, is what Obama is getting at. It’s great that we have many religions represented in America. But let’s stop using religion to divide on the governmental level.
Government must be neutral as to religion. Otherwise, how can democracy work?
Feel free to jump in with the last word. I think it’s fairly obvious that we have different perspectives, both semantically and perspectively. But I appreciate the discussion.
You have said we are a Christian nation in your answer in that you agree the foundations of this country are Christian.
A Government can use the principles of Christianity while still preserving the rights of ALL.
We, in Obama’s mind, were a Christian nation. Otherwise he would not say “We are NO LONGER a Christian nation…”
Glad we can have a civil discussion. We once as nation did not keep discourse to a discussion. In the name of principle we went into a civil war. Thank God we did.
The exact quote is
“I think that the right might worry a bit more about the dangers of sectarianism. Whatever we once were, we’re no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers,”
Which is true and doesn’t threaten the theocracy.
When this country was founded, it was a little more like Iran than the America we know today. Woman were property, native Americans killed and others enslaved. They burned people every once in a while just to remind them who God was.
It was the more liberal ideas that pushed men away from enslavement and woman as property. If it weren’t for that I’d have been killed for embarrassing you in public like this already.
Firstly we are not a theocracy, we a Republic. Not a Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu or anything other than a nation founded on Christian values.
Yes, it was the Democrats that fought giving rights to people they felt, and still feel, they owned. It was the Democrat party that came up with the 3/5ths of a person rule. But it was taken to get a foot in the door of change. It was finally decided by Conservatives that felt so strongly about the right of our that they went to war for it. Thank God. The slaves were Republican and they were lynched together, by Democrats.
It did not stop their Democrats filibustered the 64′ and 65′ civil rights act. More Republicans voted for the Act than did Democrats. And it has not stopped, they promote the victim categories in order to keep them divided.
The “…government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion…”, according to Article 11 of the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796, and passed by the United States Congress.
Article VI, Clause 2 of the U.S.A. Constitution states: “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land…”.
According to reports, Barack Obama stated “Whatever we once were, we’re no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of non-believers”.
I wonder when does Barack Obama believe you were ever “just a Christian nation” and when does Barack Obama believe you stopped being “just a Christian nation”?
“All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of superintending providence in our favor. To that kind providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful friend? Or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance? I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth-that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the Ground without his Notice, is it probable that an Empire can rise without his Aid?”
Benjamin Franklin, To Colleagues at the Constitutional Convention
Who said anything about the democrats?
It was liberal thinking that’s moved us toward a more just society.
If what your saying is true, you are admitting Christians enslaved men as part of God’s great plan, completely counter to what America actually stands for.
Liberal thinking is not having any morals because that would mean that one way is right and one way is wrong. Liberals do not look at the world in any sort of judgment, only do whatever makes you feel good. Little children don’t even get the support of LIBERALS when it comes to crimes against them!
It was the conservative Republican party that fought for the biggest changes in America. Republicans freed the slaves with their own blood. Republicans passed the civil rights act, they were a majority of the votes, a majority of their party. Democrat/LIBERALS could not get a majority of their party to vote for it, in fact they filibustered the vote.
I know this is hard to accept but sometimes politics moves slow. At the time this great nation was being formed slavery was world wide and a 3/5ths rule was the first step. A step the REST of the world could not believe. THE CIVIL WAR WAS THE SECOND step and the civil rights act next a Republican LBJ, then affirmative action, which your favorite President Nixon passed.
Which party is it that has appointed more minorities to higher post than any other party. Which party killed the most the LIBERAL/Democrat/Marxists!
Politics moves slow? Agreed. But in order to make your point you’ve justified the 3/5th rule as god’s will? After all this was a nation founded by Christians, on Christian principals, right? Built on slave backs. Or 3/5th of them anyway.
You used moral relativism to make your point. I know it’s hard, but self righteousnesses is not the same as being a moral. You’ve proved my point for me.
Politics is not religion and God gave us free choice. I never justified the 3/5ths rule as Gods will.You forgot the part about the rest of the world using it at the time and the US was the only country to take steps to abolish it. Was it clean and pretty, no. I bet the people in Zimbabwe would like some of this freedom right now.
At lest the Conservatives made better decisions as time went by. The Liberal want to keep people enslaved in victimhood.
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It is true that some of the founding fathers of the US were Deists,…but why don’t you look in the dictionary for the definition of a “Deist” ? Albeit, a Deist is a bit misguided about God’s imminence in the world, he/she still believes that God did create this world.
Obama always sounds like a foreigner to me when he speaks. His perspective seems to be that of a visitor rather than a native. It seems that his upbringing and training were from a different perspective than many of us who grew up as US citizens.
He tends to see history from a foreign perspective, perhaps as an observer rather than a participant. He clearly wants to revise history and tradition for the US and his admirers should think twice about what they saw in him at election time.
His global perspective leaves him more like a man without a country, a non-racial hybrid, neither white nor black but some sort of in-between freak.
He seems bent on dividing the country, destroying culture and tradition, inciting racial divides and devaluing religions that formed the basis for this country’s existence. Words do have meaning and this guy is hell bent on tearing apart anything that he cannot understand.
It seems that his remote rearing and mixed parentage truly left him a lost soul now trying to find out what this country is all about. A lot of uneducated people put him in office thinking thus was a movie or rock concert.
You got what you wanted but now we all have to live with him as he continues his search for self.
What a pitiful lost soul.
And you idiots voted for him
Who Cares,
Exactly! Don’t blame those of us who did not vote for him!